Fake rums, how many are there?

Could you please help me to confirm that this serial number could match the February 2011 bottling?


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From Whisky.Auction:

Caution though, you should be wary of using Italian tax strips to date a bottle. Importers would order tax strips by the thousand and continue using them until they ran out, and when the design changed, the importer was allowed to use up their remaining strips before ordering the new tax strip design. So it is not uncommon to see a tax strip from the 1960s on a bottle which would have been filled in the 1980s, for example.

Of course it is safe-ish to say that the stamp should provide a lower bound of bottling – there should not be a strip that is significantly more recent than the bottling itself (modern strip on old bottle).

The current design has been introduced in 2005 and I think it’s fair to assume the “series” letters started at something like AAA moving up. You can see a few of them here at the source.

Your label absolutely fits the year of something bottled 2011. See the Liberation 2010 (RX2070) here has the same letter code BLN.

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I can report the next case, unfortunately. The Velier Diamond 1996 SSN i recently won in an auction most likely is a fake – or at least the content. Bottle and Box are very well aged and seem to be originals that have been refilled.
Content was not a AH RIse this time or something sweet. Actually the content was unsweetened and it IS rum. Just clearly not what is supposed to be in the bottle.

I immediately contacted the auction house (Rumauctioneer) and they were very helpful in organizing a courier to come and pick up the bottle on monday with the liquid for inspection. I have been informed – should they confirm the content not to be original – that i will get my money back. This is actually quite cool of them and way less complicated than i feared. Big thumbs up for rumauctioneer to follow up in such a professional way.

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oh, nein! Das gibt es doch nicht. DrĂŒcke die Daumen, dass es schnell abgewickelt wird.

Hattet ihr die Chance den von @MoparRules zu probieren?

Wie ist der Geschmack, wieso bist du sicher, dass es nicht der korrekte Inhalt ist?

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would be interesting to learn whether it was the same seller as @MoparRules bottle. Maybe RA can check. If so, they should ban the seller

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Are the fakes mostly old Velier bottlings and Caronis? Could be there also fakes of Hampden?

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Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, weil wir am Wochenende einen kleinen Dram von einem Original-Sample probiert haben, das Zabo hatte. Ich habe diesen Diamond natĂŒrlich nie probiert bevor die Preise anstiegen und kann nicht mit absoluter und totaler Sicherheit ausschließen, dass das Sample nicht Fake war und der Rum echt – aber das Sample war eben ein tropisches, high-end, column Demerara Profil mit Vanille, Eiche, Karamell und Kokosnuss mit ein paar trockenen FrĂŒchten und GewĂŒrzen. Extrem hochwertig, aber nicht auf Niveau von 1996 full proof, ULR o.Ă€. 
 und recht Ă€hnlich zum 1999 SVW. Also recht kongruent mit den Bewertungen.

Die Flasche enthÀlt einen Inhalt, der ganz sicher nicht tropisch gelagert ist, sicher gefÀrbt ist, nach billigem Alkohol schmeckt (ja, der SSN ist alkoholisch, aber das ist etwas anderes hier), viel zu viele Ester aufweist und insgesamt gar nicht dem Profil entspricht. Es ist schon ziemlich klar und ich lehne mich damit nicht aus dem Fenster.

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Das klingt sehr plausibel!
Ich hatte noch kein Original im Glas, aber der von Stefan war so untrinkbar, dass ich keinen Vergleich brauchte.

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Hast du Fotos von der Kapsel?

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oh oh
 :speak_no_evil:

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war der hier, oder?

Ich muss schon sagen, die Fotos bei RumTrades sind um einiges besser, leider zeigen sie auch keine Ansicht von oben. RA jetzt schon mit (potentiell) 2 Velier Demerara fakes in so kurzer Zeit
 das ist schon ĂŒbel! Da können wir den Faden bald umbenennen in “real rums, how many are there?” :sweat_smile:

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ich bin noch nicht dazu gekommen, die Samples aus der Fake Flasche an die FTG zu senden.
@Serge bei mir hat RA auch super und sehr professionell abgewickelt.
Was Du von deinen ersten EindrĂŒcken beschreibst passt sehr gut auf das Profil, hatte kĂŒrzlich erst Samples verkostet.
Was Du in der Flasche schmeckst, passt gar nicht.

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hab gerade an dem leeren SampleflÀschchen (was ein Wort) gerochen. Du liegst völlig richtig mit deiner Erwartung, wie es schmecken/riechen sollte!

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Dörrobst, Holz und Leder, röstig

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Tja, die FĂ€lscher sind auch nicht von gestern und beteten immer neue Wege.

Hoffe das es da nicht zu viele FÀlschungen in der nÀchsten Zeit auf dem Auktions-Markt geben wird

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No, mine is this one:

And a picture of the capsule:

For now, I’m just going to assume it’s a Schrödinger’s bottle and wait to find more data on the Velier capsules used.

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I was referencing Serges bottle with the link.

Thanks for the picture! It is indeed not 100% certain, just a theory at this point.

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Looks exactly like mine. No tax banderole, 4 holes on the capsule. Mine also had a well weathered box with even little mold spots in it. Probably original box and bottle refilled.

Hoping the best for your bottle (and many many others 
 cause you only know for sure if you either bought it when they were still cheap or if you open it)

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Hab den fake von @Serge heute auch probiert, hat wirklich komisch geschmeckt, waren Ester zu schmecken, das kommt mir ein bißchen komisch vor.

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There’s also one on eBay now:

I don’t know what to make of this :man_shrugging:

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If i had a bottle with four holes i would be nervous for sure. Time 2 sell them fast :sweat_smile:

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I noticed that Distilia had Diamond 1981 and Diamond 1996 SSN listed, so I asked them if they would be willing to provide pictures of the top of the capsules. They came through, which I much appreciated.

The 1996 has a tax band on, so can’t really tell anything of it, but the 1981, again, has four holes. I’m yet to see a single picture of either of these two bottlings that did not have four holes. I’m strongly tending towards that the theory about the four holes indicating fake bottlings is just wrong and that these bottlings were just originally sealed that way.

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